Canon 1014XL vs. 1014XL-S

[avortex]

There's a real difference between these two models apart from the sound capabilities? I mean, is picture quality equal? Is the lens exactly the same or a very similar one?

I'm deciding which one I want to buy, and the silent model looks more atractive to me ( portability, many interesting functions, quality...), but if the sound model gives a better picture I'll go for it.

Any clue?

[cameraguy]

To be precise there is no 1014XL. The silent model is the 1014 electronic and it does not have an XL shutter. This is one of the biggest difference between it and the 1014XL-S. The silent has a maximun shutter angle of 150 degrees and the sound model has options for 220 or 150. The 220 is nice for low light situations and if enough light is present you go with the 150 for a sharper picture. The other significant differences are that the sound model offers built in time lapse. And for high speed (slo-mo) filming the silent offers 54 fps, sound offers 36 fps. About the only other thing I can think is that the XL-S likely will run at a more stable speed and quieter too. Oh yeah the grips are radically different

Both have a very good lens and if working properly both will shoot super footage. I would personally favor the 1014XL-S unless the price is a serious issue.

[avortex]

Thank you very much, cameraguy. I think I'll go for the sound model.

Marc

[Matt Pacini]

Sorry, but the 1014XL-S is NOT quiet.
It's a myth that sound cameras are quieter than silent cameras.
From what I can tell, with the exception of Nizo, no other manufacturers cared at all how noisy the camera was for shooting sound, which I agree, is strange, but I've owned many of these cameras, and I can tell you from my personal experience, that the only quiet S8 cameras are the Nizo 6080/6056/4080.

Matt Pacini

[rollemfilm]

I disagree. There is a major diference between a Canon 814E and a 514XL-s. Although the 514XL-s is not a "silent running" camera. It is a big step up from many other cameras. I don't own any 1014 models, but I know the noise level of other Canons and I have real world experience shooting sync with these cameras. From my experience, the Canon XL-s models out perform many other cameras in the noise level department.

[Brian Maier]

I have enjoyed my 1014 xls, i do wish that it had a better slow motion though. I have also owned a 814 xls and there was a big difference in the noise level of the two. The 1014 was much quiter, however still noisy for shooting sound. The reason that i think my 1014 xls is quiter is becuase it was in excelent condition, it looked like it had sat in the box for 20 years, the lubrication was much better.

One thing to consider is that you are gonna pay more for the XL-S

Brian

[Mike Buckles]

My Bell and Howell MS45 sound camera is not quiet, but i've heard noiser cameras...with the sound on film soundstripe, you really didn't notice the camera noise that much.

[lightfeat]

Matt is quite right. I too once owned a 1014XLs and consider it to be a truly fine Super8 camera, but it is too noisy for sound, if you're a serious user.

I believe Matt has concluded exactly the same as me, and that we now have identical kit:

The Nizo 6080, with a blimp from Custom Upholstery Products, and a 25fps crystal from the Film Group - Is that right Matt?

Lucas

[Matt Pacini]

My point is, that there's this myth that keps coming up, that:
1. Sound cameras are quiet.
2. The Canon 1014XL-S is quiet, and worse yet, I keep hearing it referred to as "virtualy silent", which is total horsepoop!
I bought both a 1014XL-S and a 814XL-S because of hearing this, and although they bth are excellent cameras, it simply is not true that the S8 camera manufacturers made sound cameras to be really quiet.
Sure, it's quieter than the 1014 maybe, but still, way to noisy to shoot dialog and not get camera noise in your tracks.

MP

[Matt Pacini]

Sadly, I don't have mine crystal synced, but I do have a self-made barney that works OK, although the 6080 is quiet enough to shoot dialog, if there's some ambient noise, like in a restaurant or whatever.
I just did some shooting today with my 6080.
Fun camera.

Matt Pacini